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		<title>By: Amy Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madam,

I am no great author. I will probably never be. However, in my limited experience as a member of the Robert E. Howard United Press Association, even I can tell poorly researched work when I see it. 

Shame on you, madam. I sincerely hope you learn from this. 

With Great Distain and Disappointment,

Amy Kerr
REHupa Member, REH Foundation Press member</description>
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<p>I am no great author. I will probably never be. However, in my limited experience as a member of the Robert E. Howard United Press Association, even I can tell poorly researched work when I see it. </p>
<p>Shame on you, madam. I sincerely hope you learn from this. </p>
<p>With Great Distain and Disappointment,</p>
<p>Amy Kerr<br />
REHupa Member, REH Foundation Press member</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Howards were the limit in dysfunctional? I&#039;m not in the same league as Mark Finn, Rusty Burke, or even L. Sprague de Camp as an REH biographer. However, I know a few things about dysfunctional families and Isaac and Hester don&#039;t quite measure up in that regard. Sensationalizing their flaws (and they had them) is not simply disrespectful to the memory of the Howards, but a disservice to the children who suffer from genuinely abusive and dysfunctional families. 

This article seems to take its cues less from de Camp, than Jerry Springer. The reputation of Robert E. Howard and his family should not be subjected to the same tabloid-meat grinder that deluges us with the intimate details of Tiger Woods and Britney Spears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Howards were the limit in dysfunctional? I&#8217;m not in the same league as Mark Finn, Rusty Burke, or even L. Sprague de Camp as an REH biographer. However, I know a few things about dysfunctional families and Isaac and Hester don&#8217;t quite measure up in that regard. Sensationalizing their flaws (and they had them) is not simply disrespectful to the memory of the Howards, but a disservice to the children who suffer from genuinely abusive and dysfunctional families. </p>
<p>This article seems to take its cues less from de Camp, than Jerry Springer. The reputation of Robert E. Howard and his family should not be subjected to the same tabloid-meat grinder that deluges us with the intimate details of Tiger Woods and Britney Spears.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Romeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Romeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be a little confusion about de Camp&#039;s book.  It has not been completely debunked (if someone thinks this is so, then please state where and when this complete debunking was published; there have been minor articles keying in on one or two points here and there but nothing &quot;complete&quot;) and &quot;hopelessy flawed&quot; is definitely an opinion not a fact.  

The problem with Maggie&#039;s article is that like Patrice said, she made stuff up.  Patrice by the way agrees with de Camp&#039;s central theme that Dark Valley became Cimmeria.  So even those who disagree, in the main with de Camp, will agree sometimes.

Some of the responses are full of their own mistakes.  Novalyne Price says on page 6 of &quot;Day of the Stranger&quot; Necronomicon Press 1989 that &quot;I was corresponding with Sprague de Camp, and finally I wrote to him and said &quot;Hey I&#039;m going to have to write my own book about Bob.&quot;  And he wrote back. &quot;By all means, do that,&quot; because he thought that I would have something to say that no one else would say, or could say. So he encouraged me very much to get started on it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be a little confusion about de Camp&#8217;s book.  It has not been completely debunked (if someone thinks this is so, then please state where and when this complete debunking was published; there have been minor articles keying in on one or two points here and there but nothing &#8220;complete&#8221;) and &#8220;hopelessy flawed&#8221; is definitely an opinion not a fact.  </p>
<p>The problem with Maggie&#8217;s article is that like Patrice said, she made stuff up.  Patrice by the way agrees with de Camp&#8217;s central theme that Dark Valley became Cimmeria.  So even those who disagree, in the main with de Camp, will agree sometimes.</p>
<p>Some of the responses are full of their own mistakes.  Novalyne Price says on page 6 of &#8220;Day of the Stranger&#8221; Necronomicon Press 1989 that &#8220;I was corresponding with Sprague de Camp, and finally I wrote to him and said &#8220;Hey I&#8217;m going to have to write my own book about Bob.&#8221;  And he wrote back. &#8220;By all means, do that,&#8221; because he thought that I would have something to say that no one else would say, or could say. So he encouraged me very much to get started on it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Martins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Martins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beside highlighting the persistence of L. Sprague de Camp&#039;s character assassination, Mrs Van Ostrand&#039;s article couples sensationalism with ignorance. 

I would like to thank Jason Dorough for promptly reacting with his &quot;editor&#039;s note&quot;.

Best,
Miguel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beside highlighting the persistence of L. Sprague de Camp&#8217;s character assassination, Mrs Van Ostrand&#8217;s article couples sensationalism with ignorance. </p>
<p>I would like to thank Jason Dorough for promptly reacting with his &#8220;editor&#8217;s note&#8221;.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Miguel</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Gramlich</title>
		<link>http://fandomania.com/was-conan-really-a-fictional-character/comment-page-1/#comment-5712</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Gramlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an experimental psychologist and have studied and enjoyed Howard&#039;s work for well over a decade now.  Although I never met Howard himself and must rely on his personal letters, the works of others who knew him, and the research of Howard scholars, there just isn&#039;t any evidence to suggest that Howard or his parents were outside the normal range of psychologically healthy human beings.  In other words, they were not diagnosable as suffering from any currently recognized mental disorder.  Were Howard&#039;s parents perfect?  I don&#039;t know any parents that are.  Did Robert E. Howard ocassionally show behaviors that might be considered eccentric?  Certainly.  As has everyone else in the world.   

De Camp&#039;s psychologizing in Dark Valley Destiny was based on his acceptance of Freudian concepts, a theory that is outdated in modern psychology. Howard certainly appeared to be badly depressed at the time of his suicide, but the approaching death of his mother and his own physical exhaustion understandably account for his emotional state.  

I don&#039;t believe, Ms. Van Ostrand, that you acted maliciously in your essay.  You probably just wanted to have a bit of fun and didn&#039;t imagine it could harm anyone.  I&#039;m sure if you read some of the other sources that have been suggested here you&#039;ll come to realize how mistaken you were about Howard.

Best,
Charles Gramlich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an experimental psychologist and have studied and enjoyed Howard&#8217;s work for well over a decade now.  Although I never met Howard himself and must rely on his personal letters, the works of others who knew him, and the research of Howard scholars, there just isn&#8217;t any evidence to suggest that Howard or his parents were outside the normal range of psychologically healthy human beings.  In other words, they were not diagnosable as suffering from any currently recognized mental disorder.  Were Howard&#8217;s parents perfect?  I don&#8217;t know any parents that are.  Did Robert E. Howard ocassionally show behaviors that might be considered eccentric?  Certainly.  As has everyone else in the world.   </p>
<p>De Camp&#8217;s psychologizing in Dark Valley Destiny was based on his acceptance of Freudian concepts, a theory that is outdated in modern psychology. Howard certainly appeared to be badly depressed at the time of his suicide, but the approaching death of his mother and his own physical exhaustion understandably account for his emotional state.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe, Ms. Van Ostrand, that you acted maliciously in your essay.  You probably just wanted to have a bit of fun and didn&#8217;t imagine it could harm anyone.  I&#8217;m sure if you read some of the other sources that have been suggested here you&#8217;ll come to realize how mistaken you were about Howard.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Charles Gramlich</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Cavalier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Cavalier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering to what end did Ms. Van Ostrand even bother to write this article? Robert E. Howard wrote 3 million words on a clunky Underwood #5 typewriter (a hell of a chore in itself), created a fictional genre AND a literary character known all over the world, has been read, talked about and written about for over 80 years - did she want to just show that he&#039;s a crazy man? I just don&#039;t understand that at all. To what end?

And I&#039;ll bet she never expected the response she&#039;s gotten! Howard Brothers and Sisters Unite! She wrote an article based on her interpretations of published opinions and conjecture presented as facts, then to back up her &quot;facts&quot;, cites an internet article of opinions presented as facts that were made on the previous opinions presented as facts...WTF?

Ahhh, my head just exploded!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering to what end did Ms. Van Ostrand even bother to write this article? Robert E. Howard wrote 3 million words on a clunky Underwood #5 typewriter (a hell of a chore in itself), created a fictional genre AND a literary character known all over the world, has been read, talked about and written about for over 80 years &#8211; did she want to just show that he&#8217;s a crazy man? I just don&#8217;t understand that at all. To what end?</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll bet she never expected the response she&#8217;s gotten! Howard Brothers and Sisters Unite! She wrote an article based on her interpretations of published opinions and conjecture presented as facts, then to back up her &#8220;facts&#8221;, cites an internet article of opinions presented as facts that were made on the previous opinions presented as facts&#8230;WTF?</p>
<p>Ahhh, my head just exploded!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Leno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Leno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One sad thing about this whole article is when you state that you love to find out what writers are like and then you give us information from a very poor biography, written a few decades ago.  If you really want to find out what sort of person Robert E. Howard was, read his stories and his letters, and the literary criticism that is out there--Don Herron&#039;s two books and The Cimmerian would be a good place to start. There is no need to make up stories about the man&#039;s life, he was a pretty exceptional character--and a great writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One sad thing about this whole article is when you state that you love to find out what writers are like and then you give us information from a very poor biography, written a few decades ago.  If you really want to find out what sort of person Robert E. Howard was, read his stories and his letters, and the literary criticism that is out there&#8211;Don Herron&#8217;s two books and The Cimmerian would be a good place to start. There is no need to make up stories about the man&#8217;s life, he was a pretty exceptional character&#8211;and a great writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Louinet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrice Louinet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Von Ostrand,

	You made quite a number of mistakes when researching your article on Robert E. Howard. In fact, your essay is almost nothing but a compilation of inventions, deformations and misquotes. Some people have already commented on the fact that you have used Dark Valley Destiny, L. Sprague de Camp’s hopelessly-flawed biography, as your major source. Do take the time to learn more about the current state of Howard scholarship. I am sure your readers would prefer having an accurate version rather than the one you are offering them, which is, frankly, more of an embarrassment for you than an achievement.
	I am one of the Directors of the Robert E. Howard Foundation (http://www.rehfoundation.org/), a non-profit organization trying to promote REH and the study of his life and works, have served as an editor for definitive edition of the Conan books for Del Rey, and have been involved in REH scholarship for the past 25 years. 
	I will only give your readers a few representative examples of the errors found in your essay. If you or your readers are genuinely interested in Robert E. Howard, then I would strongly suggest to visit the websites mentioned in some of the above posts, for an informed and modern view of Robert E. Howard.

	“Conan was almost surely based on Howard’s own father”: whatever this statement is, it is certainly “almost surely” false. Howard wrote of his character’s inception, without ever mentioning such an outlandish idea. You are entitled to *think* that, of course, but you should state that it is only that, an opinion, without the slightest hint of evidence. As mentioned above, I have edited the definitive edition of the Conan stories for Del Rey, extensively researching the stories and their inception. The idea that Conan was based on Howard’s father is, simply put, ludicrous.

	“Both of REH’s parents were beyond weird” is also quite an inane comment. Unless you have material to back this up. “Robert E. Howard was in love with his mother”. Is it really necessary to go over this? As to his father’s curse and the whippoorwill, I am happy to report that Isaac Howard was, after all, sane: you read De Camp’s biography a bit too quickly, as the whippoorwill incident – which, incidentally, probably never happened – is mentioned to explain Howard’s maternal grandfather’s – not his father’s - move from Dallas in the mid-1870s. 

	I am very glad to learn that Hester suffered from “an inordinate fear of germs”. I had yet to learn this. Do you have a source for this? “A history of derangement”? Again, references would be needed. I have tracked almost all of Howard’s ancestors and relatives, know who these people were. I can tall you that not one ancestor remotely fits the “deranged” bill you are assigning to this family. In other words, this is pure invention. 

	Your paragraphs on Doctor Howard are a funny attempt at paraphrasing Sprague de Camp in Dark Valley Destiny. The problem is, this was only de Camp’s speculations, which you “magically” turn into facts. 
	We do not know that Dr. Howard talked with his little boy about his visionary land schemes. He *may* have had visionary land schemes. We don’t know. He *may* have talked of these to his son. We don’t know. And you don’t either. He never had any “fantasy searches for a fabulous horde of jewels and other treasures”. You made that up. 

	The rest of your text is nothing but more of the same. “Superstitions derived from his Nordic ancestors:” Invention. “Dr. Howard taught his son that masturbation was evil:” Invention. “Hester Howard chose his books:” Invention. “Even as young as three or four, Robert conjured up visions of monsters, etc:” Invention. “Since had no friends to talk to:” Invention. “During Robert’s adolescence, his father joined in to play variations of his son’s distorted reality:” Invention. Etc, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Von Ostrand,</p>
<p>	You made quite a number of mistakes when researching your article on Robert E. Howard. In fact, your essay is almost nothing but a compilation of inventions, deformations and misquotes. Some people have already commented on the fact that you have used Dark Valley Destiny, L. Sprague de Camp’s hopelessly-flawed biography, as your major source. Do take the time to learn more about the current state of Howard scholarship. I am sure your readers would prefer having an accurate version rather than the one you are offering them, which is, frankly, more of an embarrassment for you than an achievement.<br />
	I am one of the Directors of the Robert E. Howard Foundation (<a href="http://www.rehfoundation.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rehfoundation.org/</a>), a non-profit organization trying to promote REH and the study of his life and works, have served as an editor for definitive edition of the Conan books for Del Rey, and have been involved in REH scholarship for the past 25 years.<br />
	I will only give your readers a few representative examples of the errors found in your essay. If you or your readers are genuinely interested in Robert E. Howard, then I would strongly suggest to visit the websites mentioned in some of the above posts, for an informed and modern view of Robert E. Howard.</p>
<p>	“Conan was almost surely based on Howard’s own father”: whatever this statement is, it is certainly “almost surely” false. Howard wrote of his character’s inception, without ever mentioning such an outlandish idea. You are entitled to *think* that, of course, but you should state that it is only that, an opinion, without the slightest hint of evidence. As mentioned above, I have edited the definitive edition of the Conan stories for Del Rey, extensively researching the stories and their inception. The idea that Conan was based on Howard’s father is, simply put, ludicrous.</p>
<p>	“Both of REH’s parents were beyond weird” is also quite an inane comment. Unless you have material to back this up. “Robert E. Howard was in love with his mother”. Is it really necessary to go over this? As to his father’s curse and the whippoorwill, I am happy to report that Isaac Howard was, after all, sane: you read De Camp’s biography a bit too quickly, as the whippoorwill incident – which, incidentally, probably never happened – is mentioned to explain Howard’s maternal grandfather’s – not his father’s &#8211; move from Dallas in the mid-1870s. </p>
<p>	I am very glad to learn that Hester suffered from “an inordinate fear of germs”. I had yet to learn this. Do you have a source for this? “A history of derangement”? Again, references would be needed. I have tracked almost all of Howard’s ancestors and relatives, know who these people were. I can tall you that not one ancestor remotely fits the “deranged” bill you are assigning to this family. In other words, this is pure invention. </p>
<p>	Your paragraphs on Doctor Howard are a funny attempt at paraphrasing Sprague de Camp in Dark Valley Destiny. The problem is, this was only de Camp’s speculations, which you “magically” turn into facts.<br />
	We do not know that Dr. Howard talked with his little boy about his visionary land schemes. He *may* have had visionary land schemes. We don’t know. He *may* have talked of these to his son. We don’t know. And you don’t either. He never had any “fantasy searches for a fabulous horde of jewels and other treasures”. You made that up. </p>
<p>	The rest of your text is nothing but more of the same. “Superstitions derived from his Nordic ancestors:” Invention. “Dr. Howard taught his son that masturbation was evil:” Invention. “Hester Howard chose his books:” Invention. “Even as young as three or four, Robert conjured up visions of monsters, etc:” Invention. “Since had no friends to talk to:” Invention. “During Robert’s adolescence, his father joined in to play variations of his son’s distorted reality:” Invention. Etc, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sellers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sellers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the only thing left to do here, is get a rope.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Chivers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Chivers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a longtime admirer of the works of Robert E. Howard, I am well aware of the the controversy surrounding L. Sprague de Camp&#039;s role in promoting Howard&#039;s fiction and, in particular, his shortcomings as a biographer.  I had thought the long shadows these cast over Howard&#039;s legacy and reputation had at last been dispelled but, sadly, this article shows that this is not the case. 

It is sad that the author of such a controversial piece should choose to reject all criticism as &quot;silliness&quot;, but at least the many informed posters here have set the record straight and provided pointers for anyone seriously interested in the subject matter.

What does distress me however, and which still needs to be addressed, is the manner in which the author has chosen to depict the mental health difficulties she attributes to the Howard family.  Cod psychology and a gloating freakshow approach does nothing to encourage understanding or sympathy for families and individuals coping with suicidal depression.  

This condescending piece clearly stems from a superior attitude towards popular &quot;pulp&quot; culture, which once again is out of touch with up-to-date assessments of Howard&#039;s literary stature.  His recent publication as a Penguin Classic shows that a reevaluation has taken place and his once-ghettoised talent has at last been recognised by the literary mainstream.  

In summary; it is undeniable that Robert E. Howard and his work are worthy of serious consideration and cannot be dismissed lightly in fatuous pieces of hackwork such as this.  The &quot;silliness&quot;, Ms. Van Ostrand, is yours alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a longtime admirer of the works of Robert E. Howard, I am well aware of the the controversy surrounding L. Sprague de Camp&#8217;s role in promoting Howard&#8217;s fiction and, in particular, his shortcomings as a biographer.  I had thought the long shadows these cast over Howard&#8217;s legacy and reputation had at last been dispelled but, sadly, this article shows that this is not the case. </p>
<p>It is sad that the author of such a controversial piece should choose to reject all criticism as &#8220;silliness&#8221;, but at least the many informed posters here have set the record straight and provided pointers for anyone seriously interested in the subject matter.</p>
<p>What does distress me however, and which still needs to be addressed, is the manner in which the author has chosen to depict the mental health difficulties she attributes to the Howard family.  Cod psychology and a gloating freakshow approach does nothing to encourage understanding or sympathy for families and individuals coping with suicidal depression.  </p>
<p>This condescending piece clearly stems from a superior attitude towards popular &#8220;pulp&#8221; culture, which once again is out of touch with up-to-date assessments of Howard&#8217;s literary stature.  His recent publication as a Penguin Classic shows that a reevaluation has taken place and his once-ghettoised talent has at last been recognised by the literary mainstream.  </p>
<p>In summary; it is undeniable that Robert E. Howard and his work are worthy of serious consideration and cannot be dismissed lightly in fatuous pieces of hackwork such as this.  The &#8220;silliness&#8221;, Ms. Van Ostrand, is yours alone.</p>
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